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Discussion in 'Capri Chit Chat' started by Lee-mk2, 3 September 2019.

  1. Lee-mk2

    Lee-mk2 Registered Capri Power Member

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    I know this comes up on numerous occasions and has been discussed many times, however I was wondering what the current view is.

    I am about to start a project / capri build but cant decide on which engine route to take, however there are a few requirements.

    Engine must be a Ford - car being built as a road car but may enter some events requiring ford engine.
    Not a V8 - just me, besides I have something else with a V8.
    Not turbo, want something NA
    Reasonable torque / power, although I normally lean towards traditionnal (hot pinto or essex) I am thinking I should go a bit more modern.

    Any sensible advice / input appreciated.
     
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    zetec from an engine specialist like (just throwing a name out I remember hearing of) Harris performance? Or millington? I'm pretty sure they do good n/a engines.
     
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    Cheers,
    Zetec was one of the options i was thinking along with maybe the mondeo / jag engine.

    More a case of type rather than builder although Smith & Jones have a good reputation at the moment too.
     
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    Or be different and go the eco boost route? Very modern then, and could be pretty eco still by the end of it?
     
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    Want to avoid turbos - probably leaning towards a Zetec but not totally convinced.
     
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    The ST170 variant of the Zetec is quite a good transplant. The guy I bought my 2.8 from was building one with Jenvey throttle bodies that had just been rolling road tested at a bit over 220bhp and he thought there was still some more to give without major mods.
     
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    well tuned cossie 4 banger, think about jap as wll the ztec is a jap engine anyway
     
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    I can vouch for the V6 Cosworth but it needs to be done properly to work well and be reliable.
     
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    Have considered the cossie YB option but would have to be NA and suspect it could get expensive,

    Needs to be a FORD engine

    Like the idae of the V6 Cosworth but believe getting extra power if / when needed is difficult, compared to a Zetec which would be lighter and more easily available?
     
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    If you dont mind some mods to the crossmember to cater for the slight additional height (or an increased bonnet bulge) the 4 litre version of the Cologne from the previous model Mustang and the Explorer etc could be worth a look as there will be fairly recent engines available.

    Some have also fitted the Cosworth heads (not sure whether BOA or BOB) to the 4 litre for more bhp.
     
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    Before I make any recommendation, the question is....what are you wanting from the engine?

    From what I can gather its a road car with a reasonable engine, but you're worried about whether to go more modern or not, correct?
    The questions to answer would be:

    What do I call 'reasonable' power/torque, are you looking for a V6 cossie or V8 style performance, or just something a bit hotter than a standard 2.0S/laser and maybe around 2.8 injection speed.
    Does reliability/parts availability/economy matter?
    Is it a daily driver, or a weekend/show/odd trip on a track car?
    What kind of budget are we thinking?
    Are you wanting a 'drop-in' engine, or are you planning/willing to have work done (heads, cams etc) to make the 'reasonable' performance you are after?

    Answers to those questions should narrow things down a bit better, otherwise you may take a recommendation and end up with something you really didn't want!
     
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    The car will be a fun thing as i dont require it for everyday use, the intention is for it to be road legal but set up for track fun, sprints and possibly at some point some competition at some point - with a series in mind, the engine must be a ford and of a type that can be modded and updated as required.

    I already have a moddified pinto, headwork, cam, 45's etc and am therefore leaning towards doing something a bit more modern, initially i thought the old v6 cossie but am thinking they are becoming a bit rarer these days, are reasonably heavy and probably limited in what can be improved, without going crazy on money.

    At the moment the zetec is probably top of the list, readily available, 150bhp out of the box with 180-220 bhp fairly easy to achieve while not being too fragile.

    The modeo / jag engine was also considered but probably not easy to improve / unsupported buy tuners.

    Not interested in a V8, just me but never bought into the "it should have had a V8" and already have a fairly complicated V8 (with twin turbos) to have fun with. Also will be looking to run NA rather than turbo as, i like the sound of my DCOE's (although may fun this one with throttle bodies).

    Looks like I might be answering my own question .......
     
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    The XR6 Turbo is powered by the I6 Turbo engine, producing 270 kW / 533 Nm. Early estimates indicate the car will go from 0-100 in just a tad over 5 seconds. But this is yet to be confirmed.
     
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    Would be an interesting option but dont want a Turbo and suspect rare in the UK
     
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    So it looks like you want something in the 150-220bhp range, preferably with carbs/throttle bodies. Sounds like zetec, or possibly even a Duratec might be the way to go? (Plenty of longitudinal Duratecs in Caterham 7s and the like for parts) Can run on throttle bodies, up to 2.5L on a straight 4 engine (or go crazy and get the 3.7L cyclone V6 that ginetta use!) between 150-320bhp (if you go for a race spec 2.5 engine).
    It's a little more expensive than the Zetec, but would be more 'future-proof'.
     
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    Just a quick educational video for the UK members who aren't familiar on the mighty Ford Barra engine. Ficken beast even N/A.
    Pity they're not really an option in the UK, cause these things are a legend down our way.

     
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    Yeah mate , i drove a ford with one in a few years back , it was a weapon! Id deffo import one
     
  19. Lee-mk2

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    The cyclone could be an interesting one, fitted to mustangs in rwd config and mated to a 6 speed gearbox, however although fairly light they are quite big engines physically most importantly fairly tall, which could be an issue?
     
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    A friend of mine built a Westfield with a 2.0 Zetec (turbo but that's not important here). What impressed me was hos smooth the engine was compared to my Pinto, I really liked it.

    In a RHD Capri you will benefit from having the exhaust on the passenger side (no steering linkage in the way) so I think it sounds like a very viable option.

    The Duratec is really nice and a favourite for me but costs tend to go up and you will have the exhaust on the "wrong" side.

    NA YB is just a lot of money IMO...

    But think long and hard about the power level you "need". I would suspect that if we're speaking about a true 220 bhp, a Zetec will be expensive.

    Gustaf
     
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    Engine mounts can adjust that a little, also, if you wanted to go throttle bodies that might also change things, I guess it'd be one of those things you would have to do measurements on first!
     

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