I bought a new toy - Red Wagon build project.

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  1. CapriJake

    CapriJake Registered Capri Power Member

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    Bought a toy ive been wanting to get for a while.

    Went to the Southern NSRA swap meet last weekend and bought myself a little project.

    I was looking for a Radio flyer but this is almost the same.

    MTD 500 Wagon
    I think its a 1950's wagon. But could be any age up to about 1970 when they added more plastic parts (From my limited research) if anyone knows better please let me know!

    I'm not planning to do anything with it for a while, but though id share and keep this as a place holder.
    Going to keep the paint as is, maybe brighten it up a little and clear coat it with patina. And replace 'running gear'

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    The only kid is me!

    This is a very American toy. We didn’t really have these over here.
     
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    I want to build a chassis for it. Lower it, run air filled tyres and run bearings on the axles so it’s quieter.
    I have a lot of radio controlled parts left over from my days as a RC enthusiast. Still like it, just not as much time as before!
    So I was thinking maybe make a second chassis and turn it Radio controlled for a laugh. But that won’t be happening for a long time!
     
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    My daughter has one, but it's a repro, its for an accessory to go with her T4 along with a 5 speed Raleigh Chopper.
    I do get them, but in another way don't!!!
     
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    go faster stripes and 3 inch banded steels
     
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    I can see you had to borrow the air from your Capri's rear tyre. Thats dedication.:eek:
     
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    Don't, i feel bad about the 2.0S just sitting on the drive and being neglected. :(
    But the 2.8 takes priority at the moment

    That tyre is the only one that looses air and does it in about 3 months of sitting. :(
     
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    i have that issue as my alloysare leaking big time
     
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    So, i did a little bit on the wagon.

    Found some gokart wheels local on fb marketplace and the guy dropped them off (Keeping a good distance) and mocked them up
    Wheels had been sitting for some time in the seller garage.
    (Yes i have a shag rug in the garage)

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    Im not sure on the fronts yet, i might go for something a bit thinner, they have 2 bearings in each wheel inner and outer, all were stuck. But managed to loosen them with WD and some heat. Got them turning nicely albeit a little crusty.
    But then when i went to put them on a tube i recylced from an old lamp found they had different inner diameters? One was 17MM and one was 15MM
    So i pushed the bearings out and ordered some new ones. Still not sure if i will be keeping them long term.

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    Crusty inner edge bearings.
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    I like where this is going :cool:
     
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    love the look of this already
     
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    get Trevor Steadman on board with some of his 'Go-Kart' expertise ...
    loving those wheels though...
     
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    Cheers guys.
    Got some steel delivered today a better idea of what’s to come.

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    Hi Jake, any chance of a loan of your new toy as i'm doing an oil change cheers in advance buddy
     
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    Sure thing Trev. You know where you can put it ;)
     
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    Erm just thought id mention the tray is on backwards lol :D
     
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    Yeah totally the old school style im going for

    Shut up it was just a mock up :p:p

    100%
     
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    The plan is to be able to carry heavy car parts in it. And/or crates of beer. I want it to be strong enough to potentially carry people around as well.

    I started on the chassis today. The outside chassis rails are 1250mm long. 40x20mm 1.5mm wall. So should be fairly strong.

    Bolted to the tray in 4 places. 2 original holes (Slightly enlargened) and 2 new ones.
    Then the cross braces will have another 2 bolts in each in original holes to support the weight of the luggage.

    So will have 8 m8 bolts (Rivnutted) to hold it to the chassis.

    I've just ordered a bunch of parts including a second pair of bearings for the rear axle because the first pair i bought were 25mm pillow blocks and the axle is 25.6mm (1 inch thick) my bad.
    And i have some other bits already delivered ready to go.

    The outside chassis rails are already drilled, rivnutted and attached. The centre cross braces are to be welded, drilled and rivnutted. But this isnt done yet

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    Finished the main chassis.

    I have stood on the chassis, the cross braces upwards, down, and vertical. Took my considerable weight without bending or cracking welds. So im happy its plenty strong enough.

    Welded
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    Banging chassis
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    Waiting for some parts but ive started to put the front end together.
    Due to the front axle stubs ive got for a gokart they have some built in camber, which i need to basically remove with my bracketry which sucks. Because this wagon isnt going to have any suspension the front wheels need to be flat!

    But tricky to get the dimensions right without the new bearings for the front wheels and the bearings for the rear axle and the hubs for rear to work out the heights. But i got the front axle stub mount and the front mount crossmember cut out and im pretty sure the angle is correct to straighten out the camber issue, no gonna weld it up until i get all the parts delivered

    I also did some welding and painting on the 2.8 today and tidied up the garage and installed a third racking unit, and then ordered 2 more units. Will have 5 racking units in my single garage! Getting tight in here, but i have alot of parts, tools and odd bits! And then the second storage garage round the corner!
    So working on 3 projects at the same time. Go me!

    Jake
     
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    Cut out a couple pieces of metal and bent to shape to fit the stub axles
    Got the new bearings for the front wheels so was able to fit them and check heights for the front wheels.
    I guestimated the angle needed to correct the camber on the stub axles. Transfered to paper and roughly onto a piece of bar. Cut freehand with angle grinder. Came out pretty good! Piece of angle to measure and adjust.


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    Welded it all up, forgot to make pictures inbetween but this is how it looks now.

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    I need to grind down the corners rounded so they dont slice me open!
    Also threw some spanners on the front as a bit of decoration and a little bit of bracing support to the stub axle carriers
    Bit over exposes to see them properly on this photo. Bolt in the front goes through the cross brace and i welded a nut onto the back.
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    And here is where we are. Need to make some bracing for the bottom of the stub axle carriers to help support heavy loads, prob just some triangle braces from bottom of the chassis rails
    I might add another brace to the top. Maybe all the way across if i can find an old tool or something to fill the gap that will look cool, or maybe just some more plate.
    And ill prob change the carriage bolts in the stubs for proper king pins so they move on the bearings properly.
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    Liking that
     
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    you're getting ready for a 'Red Bull' soapbox race here aren't ya !
    that top brace idea / old tool idea - get a big King Dick 1" x 1-1/4" open ended spanner ...
     
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    Turning into something more serious than I expected. Having fun with it fabricating something up from scratch with just the ideas in my head.
    A big king dick spanner would be a good addition tbh not something I have in my collection unfortunately.
     
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    how are you going to connect the steering
    looks a cool tool
     
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    I'm still deciding! Made that to keep the steering tied together. Im just going to hook up the handle to behind with. So its drag-able ;)
    Hooked up the old handle to this tie rod but made the steering turn the opposite way, which made sense after i did it.

    If i do it Radio controlled down the line i need 1 or 2 strong servos to move it. Which shouldn't be too hard, but need to work out lengths and placements to give it the proper amount of throw.

    Jake
     
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    i waiting in awe of this build so many ideas going through my head at the moment
     
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    I think now that you have to negate any thinking about dragging it around the garden ...
    instead you need to hone your thoughts towards sitting on it and doing 1500yds downhill at 30% ... best sort that steering now!
     
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    going to need brakes as well
     
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    Thanks :)
    Lots going through my head as well!

    Yeah, again originally that wasn't a plan, but think im going to need it now.

    I don't fit! id have to build a raised seat a buildwheel tubs to protect myself. Maybe ive already started... ;)

    I have plenty of M10 threadded rod so i can play around with steering. I might have to have a few different options on the shelf depending on the wagons setup that day.

    Still no rear axle, but fingers crossed ill get it this week.

    Jake
     
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    still looking like it will slide nicely under my sump, any chance of a quick loan do do an oil change!! , answers without expletives please, hope you are well and getting on with your Capri fleet
     
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    I was taught if i dont have anything nice to say don't say anything at all

    My fleet is hard work! Atleast ill have till 2021 show season to get them all sorted again. :D
     
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    Hows your build doing ?
     

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