Ride height

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  1. BigJ

    BigJ Registered Capri Power Member

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    I took the car up to the Great Orme yesterday evening and grabbed a couple of photos (as you do). Looking at them, and maybe it’s because of the 40 profile of the 17” tyres, but does it look like it needs to be lowered a bit to get the wheels into the arches a bit more?

    I can’t decide.....

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    to me yes but thats a very personal thing, some may like them sitting like this but im a lowered guy a 2" drop all round would make it sit correct in my eyes but as said its a very personal choice like standard over modded
     
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    Same here, personally I'd say it needs to go lower, its probably down to being on 17" wheels. It looks a tiny bit "dog with worms" with the front higher than the rear, a 1 or 2 inch drop at the front may make it look a bit better?
     
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    Get it dropped
     
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    me personally - ride height is the relationship between the bodyline and the ground ..
    as wheels get bigger and more pronounced that distance / measurement may get a bit lost ..
    am still of the opinion that 15s work the best for Capri .. that balance between wheel size and available easy working tyre sizes ..
    TBH Joe, your one looks like the suspension hasn't quite settled yet, and the bigger wheels are holding you up too high ..

    However it also looks really good overall ..
    My Capri was set for travelling rather than low, so I was happy at the height ..
    me personally.. if you are happy with the height, and the front wheel geometry is good .. be happy !

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    I went lower, harder and faster with mine. The handling mostly improved but I did bugger up the castor angles and as a result high speed stability. Also the girl friend had to buy a sports bra and hated the car.

    My suspension now sits at standard height again and I shall not again sacrifice comfort for appearance or performance as I love my now wife's boobs.
    Jon
     
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    I'd be going lower and harder in the suspension, no bra and get those boobies really jiggling:p:D:D(distraction, crash, bugger)
    Now back on topic, errr what was the topic? Arrh yes I remember now, it looks to me that the front is a little high in relation to the back.:D
     
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    It’s interesting as it’s sat on standard (but still relatively new) 2.8i suspension. I did have the 190lb springs on the front but that made the ride quite hard and as I also use it for travel rather than track day type activities, I went back to standard equipment.

    At some point I will be replacing the tyres with a more standard profile as these were fitted to a car that was used for track days so I’m wondering from the visual side at least if that will improve things.

    I’ve also fancied replacing the standard struts with coil overs at some point so that will give me the opportunity to tweak the ride height as it does look a bit nose high in the photos.
     
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    As said earlier when you lower the car it will knock your camber and also you castor out
     
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    Yeah, fully understand that which is why I wanted to retain everything as standard if possible. I believe a minor 15-20mm drop at the front might not be too adverse but as always I will obtain advice before parting with the hard earned.
     
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    36D9746F-C054-4045-828E-CAF541747CB1.jpeg He’s one with a 2” drop, speaks for itself :cool:

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  13. BigJ

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    What size rims are they? Looks great.
     
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    Same as yours 17” but Ford RS wheels rather than softlines.
     
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    I'm all turned around, that looks just amazing. Let the jubblies loose
     
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    That’s the look I’m after then but keeping the steering geometry correct. What’s needed to achieve that at the front? Coil overs and castor correction strut tops?
     
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    Yeah coilovers (good ones, not the cheap rubbish from eBay), adjustable top mount

    The one above also has the older style centre cap on the wheels, which I think suit the car better.
     
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    Yeah, I have those too, proper Ford Cosworth locking centre caps.
     
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    Modded Brooky, Respect to you, and that sits perfect love it big time
     
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    How do those fronts get on with the arches?
     
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    snug aint they :D
     
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    Rear and front clearance tyre to arch lip:

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    Front is massive i don’t remember a Capri being that high at the front. I would say an inch in the back and 3 in the front would sort it out
     
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    So, the front is 2" higher than the rear, it needs to be level at least ;););) IMO anyway! Do you have lowering blocks on the rear? Taking them out may be the best option to see how it looks, although it will look like a 4x4 in the meantime:eek::D
     
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    It’s absolutely bog standard 2.8 I suspension from CCI so I can’t understand what it sits the way it does. The car’s off to Ric Wood soon to get the head gasket sorted so I’ll ask his advice on it while I’m there.
     
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    If any one will know what to do it’s ric
     
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    Agreed. It’s his engine that’s in the car and so in addition to getting the head gasket oil leak sorted, I’ll speak to him about suspension and brakes whilst I’m there.
     
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    Ive ordered a set of 145lb -1” springs and a rear spacer kit off Tickover to drop it down a bit more without upsetting the steering geometry.

    When I remeasured the gap between the wheels and arches it had settled to 2” all round.
     
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    Pictures of new look are required
     
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    No worries, I’ll do before and after shots for comparison.
     
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    Hopefully this means you’ll be keeping it
     
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    For a relatively small outlay, it will improve the appearance of the car and hopefully make it more attractive to a potential buyer but in the meantime I’ll still try to enjoy it if I get a chance.
     
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    personal touches to cars dont always sell the car, remember what is white to you could be black to others, a standard looking car would fetch more of an interest as it says its not been messed with, i love a modded capri and im far from a standard capri guy but i would be more drawn towards a standard than a modded for the reason ive gave already,
     
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    Totally agree, standard is best but this car has been heavily modified with the fitting of the Cosworth engine etc. With regard to the suspension, even though it’s standard 2.8i I still think it needs dropping a bit and I’ll include the original front springs in the sale so a new owner would have the option to revert back to standard if they wanted to.

    In the meantime it will at least look better to me parked in the garage and it will give me something to do over winter.
     
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    A larger overall diameter of the wheel will raise the body above the ground, so you "need" lowering for it to sit right.

    IME, when correcting caster back to standard, the "correct" way is usually to shorten the ARB or move the mounts forward. Otherwise the wheel will end up to far rearwards in the wheel opening.

    Since the Capri works better with more caster than standard though, I suggest a combination between adjustable strut tops and modified ARB. Then you can increase caster a bit from stock and get the wheel to sit in the right place.

    Gustaf
     
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    I think you’re right Gustaf.

    By fitting the 17” rims with the 40 profile tyre the car sits a bit higher than it did with the 15” rims and 50 profile tyres on. I think this is what I noticed when I took it for a spin up the Great Orme in summer.

    Handlingwise, it’s better than ever and I don’t think dropping it an inch will do anything to affect that but it will improve the ‘stance’. If not then it’s a simple job to revert back to the existing springs and remove the blocks.
     
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    Day 1 of the suspension lowering operation. I bought a kit off Tickover a few months ago with -1” blocks for the leaf springs and -1” 145lb coils for the front but haven’t had much of a chance to fit them until this week.

    Rear blocks went on easy enough after swapping out the centre bolt location washer for a smaller one to fit the block.

    Fronts are straightforward but I’d forgotten what a pain in the backside it is to try and lift a heavy strut back into place in the wing whilst trying to get a nut onto one of the three studs (which all decided to fall out onto the floor:mad:). In the end I fed a 4” bolt up through one of the stud holes, stuck a nut on the other side to hold it and then just wound the strut up into position with a ratchet whilst I refitted the other two studs.

    I have a set of super flex bushes for the lower suspension arm chassis attachment point and some for the ARB so I’ll replace the existing horrible orange ones whilst it’s all in bits. Should be finished tomorrow so will post a pic of the new look when I’m done.

    Right now it’s wine o’clock :D
     
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    the rears are near easy.. how does it sit on the leafs.. then fit blocks.. result ..

    Front end really is a pain in the arse .. poundage do this -1 / -2 do that .. black art any way you want to call it ..
    with fixed spring pans, and all the standard/lowering/uprated springs you can get off the net .. "Bollox"
    rear needs to be softer than the front just to have a handling balance .. but?
    I got standard 28i rear springs and 1"blocks at the rear ..
    now I found that balancing the front to it was a pain ..
    latest that I did was coil-overs, first try was 225lb/9" was alright, but my last set was 300lb/9" that I drove to the south of France and back..
    when Rumbly comes back after the rebuild ... That will be my starting point and as far as I'm concerned will probably be the end ..
    normal coils on set struts are just a lottery .. I dialled it in this way and it just felt comfy and handled well ..
    does me ...
     
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    Tickover told me that 120lb coils were standard for the 2.8i which mine was originally. They say you can’t get them now so the 145lb are the next best thing. Time will tell but I’ve tried the 190lb as recommended by Capri Sport and they were simply just too harsh.

    My track is the M56 not Brands Hatch so, just like my jeans, I prefer the ’comfort’ fit :D
     
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    Question, is the ride height changed by the poundage of spring? when a spring supplier says that a spring is 1" shorter, is that the relaxed size compared to the Factory item or the compressed size, bearing in mind that increased poundage would compress less.

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    On the cars i've had it's usually the compressed ride height, for a factory road spec' car. Gross weight will influence any spring so a track car or roll caged competition car could be + or -.
    The old microfiche had wire diameters and spring lengths, and by my reckoning 120lb is a good number.
    I'm on the club uprated ones too, with new billies - so i'm in BigJ's camp :)
     
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    I compared the new springs with the ones that I’d just taken off and they were physically shorter by about an inch.

    Not sure how much difference you can see from the photos but here’s the before and after shots. I’ll take it out for a spin and get a better photo when I get a chance.

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    Looking much better BigJ!!
     
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    Looks much better, I recon you could go another half inch
     
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    I can’t, my jack won’t fit under the crossmember anymore..:D:D
     
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    Is that the conventional jack or the lowered type:rolleyes:
     
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    Trolley jack, but it’s a large one so the smaller one can still fit under to get it started.
     
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    Looks better and could even go another inch but then I’d be into geometry modifications and I’m not sure how it would cope with the local speed bumps around here. Drives really well.

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    Looks loads better than before, quite like the stance it has.

    hope your going to be keeping her
     
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    sits nice and square Joe, looks good
     
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    Well if the Landrover sells then yes I will but one of them has to go. If I do keep it then the next jobs are a custom exhaust and brakes like yours :D
     
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    we buy any car will buy anything. Get it booked in and keep the Capri :D
     
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    what does the LandRover look like Joe?
    stick some some pics up Mr
     
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    It’s a 1975 SWB Series 3 Alan

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    love that LandRover, love it to bits ..
    but..
    if its a choice between the Capri & that .. sell the landrover .. !!!

    not nearly equal, use-able, or comfortable as the Capri, even if it can pull trailers better...
    Love that LR ..
    looks just great
     
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    I lent this 2.8i from my mate in the late summer.
    Standard with 200lbs worth of tools and Mondeo stuff (scrapped my Mondeo Mk3)
    Did not rub at any speed bumps or railway crossings.
    Wheels are Diamond cut 17x7.5" RS Wheels.
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    Regarding castor, Team Blitz makes 26mm arb which have more metal removed vs the stock one so you get more castor.
    It's ment to be adjusted with shims if you don't want as much castor as it has built in.
    For race the even makes a 29mm :D
     
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    do it yourself ARB mod ..
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