The bare shell creation

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  1. CobraR

    CobraR Registered Capri Power Member

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    Date: Friday 7th March 2014
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    Whilst having a great evening with friends, I decided the evening could be bettered with an impromptu eBay purchase.

    In went my bid without authorisation from the wife, or all affected family members and the following day this thing of beauty arrived on the back of a van to my old man's driveway.

    A completely bare 1.6 shell in very nice condition, coated in rat wagon Matt black. 20140308_134843.jpg

    I believe I'd read at the time about some wild man sticking an M5 lump into a Capri, and based on that I was fairly confident that with little to no mechanical knowledge or experience, with time I could also do the same!!!

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    Alas, it quickly dawned on me that I didn't know how to change a head gasket, let alone how to do a big old engine transplant, so I settled with building the shell with 2.8i Capri parts.

    My mechanical skills stretch as far as being able to strip cars and replace parts, but my old man is handy, and had done a few engine rebuilds back in the day, so I was confident we could piece something together.

    26 Aug 2014, I acquire a 2.8 non runner / bit of a barn find and began salvaging parts off it.

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    I like what you've done with the place. :)
     
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    The engine was a non- runner, but we whisked it out with a view to strip it down to the block and rebuild.
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    6th March 2015, the engine was brought into the old man's garage for work to commence .
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    Heads stripped and machined. 20150306_103547.jpg
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    8th March we got down to the block..

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    Rear axle sand blasted, painted black and poly bushed.
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    Was the 2.8i in a bad way, as it looked half decent?
     
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    Funny you should say that... I was wondering that when loading up the photos. I think it was missing a few things and was a non runner, but probably didn't need that much work to get it back up and running.

    I was dead set on building a shiny new wagon at the time - but in hindsight, yes I should have probably just sorted the engine out and it could have been a great motor!! Nevermind eh.
     
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    Nah - yer fine.. never got on well with the EU spec 28i.. just never liked it at all

    Carry On ...
     
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    Pistons cleaned up and new rings
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    Valves lapped
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    Heads rebuilt.

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    Crank back in..

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    Pistons in and new head gasket.
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    Horrible thermocast thingymejig that we had to get fabricated as we couldn't find a new/good condition one for sale.

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    Thomas Scott Gilley, who plays with the notorious lump that is the 28i.. appears to have a way of getting replacement items..
     
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    Don't seem to have many photos of the later part of the engine build for some reason, but here's the finished article..

    Rocker covers and oil sump were sandblasted and painted.

    New Samco hoses.

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    Hoisting the new lump back in.. DSC_2221.JPG
     
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    Got a video of the first time she was started up 31/07/2017, but the file is too large to load.
     
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    How she looks at the moment...
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    To do list....
    - Solve overheating issue (mentioned in other thread)
    - Get MOT
    - Review and repair interior (managed to acquire a genuine brooklands interior, but it needs some repair work on the bolsters.
    - Full respray
     
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    couple of ways around that.. lodge on you tube, then insert a link.. or depending on file type, use PostImage..
    or if you like try using the messenger to get to me and I'll upload it for ya..
     
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    Wheels appear to be banded - what type of wheels are they and what size? Quite clearly it hasn’t just been thrown together the engine looks like new and I would always go for the black hoses.
     
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    look like Peugeot banded rims or reversed rims
     
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    It was suggested your head gaskets could be the wrong way around and that could cause overheating. There is a good picture of the engine with head gasket fitted waiting for a head.
    I couldn't say if yours are correct but am pretty sure my gaskets had writing on the top front to aid correct placement.

    Great thread and that engine looks lovely.

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    Most definitely head gaskets are on wrong and will be the cause of your overheating if they were installed as in the photo.
    I posted the correct way how to fit them over on your other thread. Water passage ways in the gasket need to be at the rear of the engine.
    http://www.capripower.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/2-8-dilemma.45024/

    Heads off again I'm afraid.:mad::(
     
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    Spot on - yes they are 16" Peugeot banded steels. Came across them on eBay.
     
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    Ahhh. Not ideal re the heads back off... But absolutely awesome if that gets me one step closer to getting the old girl properly up and running! Thanks a lot guys.

    Here's all the photos just to be sure if it's the gasket on wrong...

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    Thank you for your help mate
     
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    Video is 1 minute long but think it must be too big as it won't upload to my direct message to you.
    I'll have a go at the other options. Cheers for your help though
     
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    The head gaskets in the photo needed to be swapped to the opposite bank of cylinders. The five large waterways in the head gasket need to be at the rear of the engine, otherwise the back cylinders have no water flow and will boil quite quickly.
    The path of the coolant flow is from the water pump- front of engine block - to rear of engine block- up to the back of the heads - then to the front of the heads- then out through the inlet manifold to the radiator. With the gaskets installed wrong the coolant flow goes from the water pump- to the front of the engine block-straight up to the front of the heads - straight out the inlet manifold to the radiator- completely by-passing the rest of the engine.
    Don't ask how I know!!!!:mad::mad::(:(:rolleyes:
     
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    Great story, what have you done with the 2.8? Finn.
     
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    Looks like an awesome project! Good effort guys!
     
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    The 2.8 was stripped down to a shell, and sold on to someone who was doing a rebuild project themselves.
     
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    The old girl has returned. Time to whip the heads back off then .
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    looks like its really coming together now
     
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    Latest update....

    I've got the heads back off and seeking advice.
    I can see where the coolant has been trying to get through at the back, but if I put the new gaskets on the other way round, there won't be any holes for the jackets at the front??

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    i can see what your saying, but i do know that some water ways are not all ways used, and are blanked off via the H/gasket, ive had this on my old droop snoot firenza many years back, quick question is there water passages in the head to match the ones in the block?
     
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    From distant memory, my gaskets had front and top written on them, I just trusted this and fitted the heads and have had no problem. Seems sensible to me that the biggest holes are at the back as these are traditionally the hottest and most likely to crack and consume oil being furthest from the pump and radiator.
    It is possible that the gaskets are on opposite ways around to match up with the nasty hot siamesed ports rather than the back/front of the engine also.
    Jonny
     
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    I've spent a while googling and found this image
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    It's not the sharpest but does show the front written on it and also the bigger coolant holes at the opposite end/rear of the head.
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    Thanks guys.

    But yes Caprinerd the heads have got matching holes at the front too, so I'm not really sure why the gasket blocks the front off.

    But if that's how it's supposed to go on, then that's what I'll do. Thanks a lot all for your help.
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    There is a spot in the centre of the 2.8 heads that doesn't match a water port in the block. On Hien, the machinist drilled the heads there to prevent a "dead end" chamber in the coolant flow. One day, I'll try to get pics..As for the front, I'm ignorant.
     
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    Are these waterways in the front just there to suit the alternative, non siamesed heads used in other applications ?
     
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    At a guess, I would say they are there to help support the casting core during the casting process.

    I have explained how and why further up this thread and here. http://www.capripower.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/2-8-dilemma.45024/
     

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