Veng Front Wings

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  1. Daz-RSK

    Daz-RSK Registered Capri Power Member

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    OK, so I have scanned t'interweb and there seems to be some positive stuff about Veng and their front wings.

    Are they good ?

    The reason I ask is that I am considering a trip to buy them -- NEW!!!! :wacko:
     
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    Go for it, new steel as long as its fitted correctly is new, did I mention New? I have 5 Capris and I would never consider buying a 30 year old bit of tin for a silly price when I can buy new, easy really. Finn.
     
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    Oh totally agreed. New is new - to state the obvious. The issue though is that some of the new stuff is crap as well. You only need to look at mine to see that the rough panel parts that excuse themselves to be front Capri wings. Hopeless! And there was no way the bodyfitter could have done anything about them without making the wings with the Fiord press from scratch as the curves are wrong. The alignment works - anyway....

    The reason the decision is difficult and my simple question is loaded - Veng don't make the wings in this country and they won't send them (I wouldn't accept them sending them anyway if a boat or plane is required to bash 'em about). The wings are about £350 each. I haven't priced the journey yet - but Oslo, Norway is the destination.
     
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    Veng dont make anything. KlokkerHolm or similar is what it is. Personaly the veng parts is just as bad as any other uoriginal part, but its better Then old half dead part. Also veng is expensive, compared to germany or UK, Even including shipping often... So maybe check that too...

    Where Are you from?
     
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    Daz

    They are probably Klokkerholm wings, still patterns though.

    I'm with Paul Finney on this. I don't know why people get so up tight about pattern wings, the dimples in the wing rail can be punched in, Trevor Steadman (Steadspeed) makes the O/E style inner D-shaped strenghtheners that go at the front above the headlight area to satisfy the elsewhere mentioned wing - fingerers and find yourself a good panel man who can tweak the wings to make them fit. They can be zinc coated and stonechipped to stop rust. People are happy to have pattern sills, rear arches and lower rear corners but oh no not the wings - yuk.

    The newest Capris are 29 years old now and not many could truthfully be called "original". Most will have had new metal let into them somewhere along the line, most will not be wearing the paint that they left the factory with, or the oil, filters, coolant, radiators, tyres, brake pads and shoes, shockers, windscreen, clutch, exhaust or even engine, gearbox and diff to just name a few things that may be not "original".

    With these cars we all love we must adapt and make do with what's available and further use our local (UK) Capri specialists and panel suppliers as much as possible; if they all stopped trading we would all be in a big pile of problems and that extends to UK panel makers like Magnum etc too. A month or so ago I was whinging about the price and availability of front vallances and was "put right" about my expectations but I did netherless email Magnum panels and had a very nice reply saying that they are considering introducing them next year. This, if it happens, will I'm sure be a big help to most people renovating/overhauling/doing-up/restoring Capris.

    This said, no one will bother introducing new lines for Capris if everyone is sniffy about them but if they sell well I'm sure it would possibly lead to more body parts becoming available which would help everyone.
     
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    What Paul says makes a lot of sense, if people won't buy the parts then they won't get reproduced simple as. I sent Magnum some real old stock wing rails last year, they're miles better than the ones that are currently available but as of yet they're still not being produced.
    I know they were looking at expanding the Capri range of panels because I spoke with them at the NEC last year. The floorpans have recently been introduced which is good as most Capris I build need at least parts of the floorpans.
    What really annoys me is that if I were building a MK1 /2 Escort I could build the whole car from new and reasonably priced panels. You're not telling me that there's more MK1/2 Escorts around than there are MK1/2/3 Capris because I don't believe it.
    I explained to Magnum that if they produced a pair of inner sills and outer sills and door pillars then they would fit all MK1/2 and 3 Capris and there would be a steady market for them.
    Speaking personally, if the Capri had the kind of support that the Escort has panel wise then my life as a builder /restorer would be a hell of a lot easier but in order to make this happen the companies must have the support of the owners to make it worthwhile in producing the parts.
     
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    Problem is that Capri dont have the "motorsport" hertiage, so they Are not that popular. And its more escorts Then capri's. Capri's have just now startes to incres in value, so we Are far behind escorts...
     
  8. Daz-RSK

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    Twin turbo - I am in south east England so would have to drive the Veng to collect the wings. 1700kms, that's all. :huh: They won't send them and I wouldn't want them transported that way anyway. But thank you for the info - perhaps Veng don't have the credibility they once held for being the best pattern part out there. Back to the drawing board.


    Paulg - you are absolutely right in what you say. I am having a mind battle here. You say that after 30 years out of production, name any Capri that is original with any of the bits / parts mentioned. I agree with you - there are few. But where my mind is - I have one of the more genuine ones out there - but that doesn't mean it is good condition. I am trying to bring the condition to the paperwork. When my parents bought it, I'd not been long out of school, a spotty teenager. In 2 years, I'll be celebrating (commiserating) my half century.

    That's not all. I have all the original paperwork, I know the first 2 owners (85 - 87) and have all the items like the lumbar support cushions that Ford gave you in a Ford slogan'd bag (still brand new and unused) and have several photos from when the car was under a month old, with a typical 1985 street of cars.

    Up until 2/3 weeks ago when I was willing to throw that away and get something else, it was all lost on me. But since I was slapped about, 31 years after registration - nearly 32 years since being built - I have about the most genuine car I could envisage ever owning. As for all of those items that you mentioned would have been replaced - therefore, not original - I could actually pick off which have been replaced and which are as of 1984. Very few of those are later than 1984. Part of the issue is that because a lot is 1984, that's why I want to bring this to scratch.

    I guess what I am saying is that unlike any other car I have owned, I have the best shot I can to make this stand out in a number of ways. 30 years of history with one car isn't something you buy.

    I am just a bit betwixt and between as to what to do for the best. I am gutted that rubbish wings were fitted to it in 1996/7 but will have to live with that inability to turn back the clock and get that fixed with Ford wings available off the shelf back then. Instead I am going to have to scratch around.

    But guys - thanks for your input and advice, as usual. Very insightful. :thumbup1:
     
  9. PaulG

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    Hello again Daz

    I've just thrown on my Laser a pair of patterns which I bought as a pair off ebay for £120. They had been sitting in the seller's shed for 15 years. The right hand one was a bitch, I had to cut all the rear inner strenghteners and bend the lot about before welding it back together just to get it to curve round the scuttle in parallel and sit in line with the door. The left one (Hadrian make) just plopped on with no real problems. Both now line up with everything but the gaps are perhaps 1 -2 mm bigger than they could be.

    As I say I was just throwing these on my Laser as I just want the car as a tidy runabout and not for showing or in the condition that you require.

    This said, if i was putting these on my 3.0S I would have spent a lot more time firstly making them look original and secondly I would have put time into getting all the gaps right and sharpening up the creases, using lead loding if necessary. It can be done and I have seen it and also I have seen genuine wings that have been fitted and are as pissed as a rat.

    I'm not a skilled or trained body man but they are out there and they can get these wings to fit and if I can't do it on the 3.0S it will be towed to someone who can. Whether fitting genuines or patterns it is all down to the time taken and the abilities of the fitter.

    Another option for you to consider is buying a pair of patterns and cutting them up for repair sections for the originals, I've done this to repair the 1 OE wing on my S and will probably go pattern unless a good left hand wing comes my way.

    If you really are adamant about O/E wings the final option, and this will get me shot for saying this, is to buy a good condition low model Capri and nick the OE wings off it, use them on your car and put patterns back on the donor car then re sell it - obviously declaring what you have done!!!!!!!!!! Probably not that cost effective these days though.
     
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    So do express panels make their own wings?

    I was under the impression that they do, with a serious wait time.

    They quoted me 750 each for mk1 rs wings. I've seen a pair of rusty ones go for more on ebay.

    [​IMG]

    They don't look half bad..
     
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    Hi Paulg. Some sound words you are coming through with there. :thumbup:/>

    Your last point about buying a good Capri to cannibalise had crossed my mind briefly but that just ruins another decent Capri. Whilst I would be able sell on and it get back on the road with someone else, it doesn't seem right or fair. But it is a fair option for consideration as I had already laid that one out. I. too, came to the conclusion that would not be cheap either.

    I think I need to take on board all of your comments here and see how to go forward, Could be a long time. :D/>

    Craigorypeck - yes, ex-pressed panels do make their own wings. Wildly, I could start getting them making Mk3 wings from the original press. It's just that there is a sum of money involved.
     
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    Check here? Probaly the same as veng would offer...

    http://www.motomobil.com/front-wing-left-hand-reproduction-steel,3237,25813130-1.html
     
  13. Daz-RSK

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    Do you think they would be any good twin turbo ?

    I did make an enquiry with them as they list originals but obviously out of stock and not available. But they then listed all of the stuff they did have - these being one of them, along with fibre glass stuff as well.

    What do you think ?
     
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    same as everyone else patterns unfortunately .
     
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    All patterns are the same item, doesn't matter who you get them from. They're all that's available so the choice is pretty straightforward - use them or don't.
    I don't see a time when anything else will become available. Ideally a genuine wing will have to be sacrificed in order to produce the tooling which will in itself be horrendously espensive then the producers will want to make them in huge numbers in order to recoup the costs and make profit.
    I seriously don't see the market in such things being large enough for producers to take these kind of projects on board.
    Sure, when the ideas are being floated around the forums etc every man and his dog is dead keen, as soon as a price is mentioned the majority soon head for the hills!
    The way I see it is that we are a poor relation to a large part of the classic car market and it isn't going to suddenly improve massively so we either have to work with what we have and may possibly get in the future or simply let the car die. It's a bleak outlook but there isn't a magic cure.
     
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    Yes pattern is pattern No matter. I have used motomobil for allot of rustpanels, and its mostly KlokkerHolm, and the Taiwan company, as veng and most other.

    Most KlokkerHolm tooling is/was the original factory tooling, they bought IT after they were worn out of toleranse to use as genuine parts tool. And Then they have used IT now for allot of years after, so thats why the edges and profils get some off..
     
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    just checked at carparts Express, since was in looking anyway, so since you are in uk, check With him maybe?

    http://www.carpartsexpress.co.uk/Bodyshop/Capri/Ford-Capri-1978-1987-MK3-/p-1938-1939-853/
     
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    When I spoke to imperial last year they approached KlokkerHolm and they in turn used a tided up mould to re run the bumpers hence the recent improvement in mk3 bumper profiles for mk3 centre bars .
    the wing presses have had loads of tweaks over the years and to be honest they are well past it now ..

    I'm now in the secenario where im searching for old pattern wings for insurance purposes
    as they are crisper than the new magnum stock which is off the same press .
    but still need work to be credible
     
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    My biggest bugbear with pattern wings is that the crease isn't anywhere near as sharp as a NOS, but as others have said - not much choice...
     

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