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  1. WimC

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    Small update:
    I managed to get new rubbers into this track control arm:
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    It wasn't easy, but with a bit of WD40 and a lot of thumb power and patience they went in.
     
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    not the best job to do well done what a pain in the rear but every Capri ive had ive needed to do this on
     
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    Starter motor time!
    So, this ugly duckling was sitting next to my engine:
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    I bought last summer a lot of MK1 parts, which included another starter, so I could make the best of 2.
    The casing from my original one is broken where it holds to the engine.
    As I dismantled them both I noticed that they are different, while they look the same on the outside. With a bit of lookup work I discovered that the original one is a 1.1kW one, and the replacement is a 0.8kW one. It's noticeable on the width of the coal brushes, and the internal shaft is a bit different.
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    So now everything is cleaned up, new coal brushes are on the wishlist, commutator is being cleaned and all other parts are ready for paint:
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    (btw, I love sandblasting things)
     
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    I'm changing my mind on the compressor thing as I'm still not sure about the quality of these membrane compressors.
    I think i'll buy this one instead:
    https://www.matthys.net/nl/compressor-4pk-ketel-100-liter-1229789

    4 bhp, 350l/min

    The capacity is the same, it looks far more robust, it's cheaper, and I'm able to go to the shop where they sell it. So I can actually hear and see it working before I buy it.
    I found already some options to reduce the noise, so that won't be a problem I hope.
    Hopefully I have then found the right one for my workshop so I can start posting pics of restored parts instead.
     
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    Always a great option, I would always be happier shopping local(ish) .. as you say option to see, try, touch... and in a moment of need, the ability to go back for service and parts ...
     
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    Indeed, and the shop it comes from specializes in tools for vintage car restoration. So I 'm getting a lot of usefull information too.
     
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    Foreseen new studs so the carb and inlet can be put back together:
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    Next week I'll get my new compressor (finally). So next month there will be guaranteed more progress here!
     
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    look forward to your up dates
     
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    So, a bit of work is done to the Capri.
    The rear axle is out, so now the shell is complete naked:
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    I've been able to buy a 5th wheel, so I have a proper spare wheel. I decided that this will be my 'test' wheel to redo.
    So I started with undoing the tire, cleaning and sandblasting. It took a lot longer to blast than I expected.
    After also some wire wheeling it looks like this:
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    I also cleaned out the edge with a screwdriver, and rubbed some rust converter in to make sure all rust is gone everywhere.
    I'm getting some wheel paint tomorrow, and also paint for the whole underside of the car + drive train components.

    I also bought a box of Ford emblems for 10 euro's, including this beauty:
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    This will get some polish and new black enamel paint.
     
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    good works Wim..
    nice to read an update on the project ..
    also note that the id label is still on the axle, so you will be able to id the actual ratio..
     
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    Rostyle is a little pitted but not beyond redemption, is that an Atlas axle?
     
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    Thanks :)
    It was a pleasure to finally be able to post an update.
    I think the ratio is 3:89. That's factory.
     
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    Indeed, pitted but salvageble. It will be my first adventure with filler :D
    I guess it's an atlas axle indeed.
     
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    I already painted the XLR emblem. A small step for the Capri, but a huge step for my mood!
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    Nice bit of work one down
     
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    I'm guessing it's 3:09, with the optional crust of dirt on the tag to replicate an "8". Not so rare, really.
     
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    3:09 for the likes of 2.8/3ltr ..
    but never fitted on a V4.. the beauty of the EU cars is that they never seem to have the 'English' Banjo axle on them..
    Salisbury/Atlas type , but still with all the ratios .. must admit I'm a bit surprised at the ratio though, would have expected something similar to a 1600 - around the 3.75, 3.777 mark .. HeyHo.. keeps them rolling
     
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    I'm pretty sure it states 3.89. Am I right, that the higher the ratio, the more rpm needed to obtain the same wheel rotation?
    I read that the Atlax axle is heavier and stronger then the English one, so that's not bad I guess :)
     
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    https://www.burtonpower.com/crown-wheel-pinion-cwp-3-89-1-english-axle-cwe39.html

    • Ford Anglia 105E/123E 1959-1968
    • Ford Capri Mk1 base models (not 2.6 V6 or 3.0 V6) 1969-1974
    • Ford Capri Mk2 1.3/1.6 1974-1978
    • Ford Capri Mk3 1.3/1.6 1978-1986
    • Ford Consul 315 1961-1963
    • Ford Consul Capri 1961-1964
    • Ford Consul Corsair 1963-1965
    • Ford Corsair V4 1965-1970
    • Ford Cortina Mk1 1962-1966
    • Ford Cortina Mk1 1.5 GT 1963-1966
    • Ford Lotus Cortina Mk1 1963-1966
    • Ford Cortina Mk2 1966-1970
    • Ford Cortina Mk2 1600GT/1600E 1967-1970
    • Ford Lotus Cortina Mk2 1966-1970
    • Ford Escort Mk1 1.1/1.3 1968-1974*
    • Ford Escort Mk1 Mexico 1970-1974
    • Ford Escort Mk1 RS1600 1970-1974
    • Ford Escort Mk1 RS2000 1973-1974
    • Ford Escort Mk1 Twin Cam 1968-1971
    • Ford Escort Mk2 1.1/1.3/1.6 1975-1980*
    • Ford Escort Mk2 RS Mexico 1975-1978
    • Ford Escort Mk2 RS1800 1975-1977
    • Ford Escort Mk2 RS2000 1976-1980
    • Ford Prefect 107E 1959-1961
    • Lotus Elan 1962-1974
    little bit of info for you to store Al
    Id never heard of that ratio till now but there it its on Burton Site
     
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    seen the ratio before, but yours are English (banjo) listings ..
    Wim's is a Salisbury !!
     
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    I checked on the manual I have:
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    It had originally a V4 1500, so the ratio is definatly 3,89. Now the engine is a V4 1700, so to be 100% matching I should search a diff with ratio 3,70 but I don't think I will. I don't see any issue in that.

    In other news, I finally got some quality paint!
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    Epoxy primer for all kinds of parts and body, and Polycoat to tackle all drivetrain parts + the underside.
    I'm pretty excited to start using this as it will be my first time painting with a spray gun.
     
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    Hopefully you have some decent PPE to go with your paint!!!
     
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    well done Wim..
    good explanation of the engine change from 1500, to 1700 ..
    tbh, with the matching axle & gearbox, your speedo will work and indicate as it should .. If you went out & changed the axle, you would then have to change the gears in the speedo drive .. all a load of chasing and heartache for what?
    get it up & running, its a lovely build ..
     
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    So, I've had my first experience with a spray paint gun. Not great, not terrible.
    I realized afterwards that I let too much paint flowing while spraying, and maybe the paint would be better if it was a bit thinner.
    On larger parts I have an obvious orange peel texture, but you don't notice it much on smaller parts which sometimes already had some texture due to rust pitting.
    I also have some parts that aren't covered good because I was still a bit awkward with the paint gun.
    I could organize it quite good by hanging all parts around on old curtain rails:
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    Some of the results:
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    is that chassis black your using if so do a 1:1 mix and reduce the flow rate a bit
     
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    It's Novol Polycoat, it's says 5:1 with hardener, and then 15% thinner. Indeed, I'll play a bith with the knobs :)
     
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    Get some cardboard and see what patterns you can get, also vary your psi, what size needle do you have, the viscosity of the paint may need adjusting, just by adding another 5% thinners will allow the paint to flow more easily, it is a lot of trial and error, distance of spray gun from item being sprayed is also a factor, main thing is you are having a go, there are plenty of YouTube videos that are helpful as well.
     
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    The paint required a 1.6 needle. I have a 1.4 and a 1.8 so I picked the 1.8. Don't know exactly if I picked the right one.
    I'll try some more.
     
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    1.8 should be fine for that job, if you are using a hvlp spray gun, they need a lot of air volume to spray nice, a traditional suction gun can operate at lower pressure and still do a decent job. The primer I use is 4:1, you literally spoon it out of the tin, then probably 20% thinners otherwise it goes on like stonechip.
     
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    I finally got to finish the starter motor.
    20201008_121224.jpg .

    Looks and works good as new.
     
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    Is that the same ugly duckling? You're not going to put that back on the car, are you? :)
     
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    Myea.. maybe I'll just put it on a display in my living room :D
     
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    all good progress, steady and better than me..
    well done Wim
     
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    So, in a year of corona and massive renovation works on my house I could manage to create some time to redo the rims.
    This is what they looked like before, the one more corroded than the other:
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    I could get them in my blast cabinet, so after quite some hours blasting each rim looked like this:
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    Then after some degreasing the epoxy primer was sprayed on:
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    The epoxy primer was too thick leaving behind an orange peel texture all over the rims. So after lots and lots of sanding they received their black paint:
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    Then again some hours work to mask them all up:
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    In my experience the best practice was to stick the masking tape on it, then make the contour with my fingernails, and then cut with a sharp stanley knife the edges.
    The masking of the line in the center around the center cap was done with fine line masking tape.

    Then after researching which silver it originally had, I went trough with 'Silver Fox Metallic' which I found on some fora. In my opinion it does resemble very good the original, as the original paint on them may have faded quite a lot after 50 years.
    So this is the final result:
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    Very nice mate, very nice indeed ;)
     
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    nice bit of masking work , i all ways hated masking rims for paint
     
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    Oh indeed, it took me a full evening for each wheel, and still some lines that are not 100% perfect.
     
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    real pet hat that one, cars no problem but rims nah
     
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    nice job on the wheels.. clever doing full black first ..
    excellent result ..
     
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    Thanks!
    I think that they originally were painted black first as all the rears of the rims were black before.
     
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    Small update:
    The wheels have their tires fitted:
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    And I fabricated a new plate to weld on the front axle:
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    The renovation work on our house is almost done, so only a couple of months and I'll have a proper workplace (and again more time).
     
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    good man nice to see an update Wim
     
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    So, I was cleaning out the storage and I came across my engine block.
    It was full of dirt and grease, and there was also a lot of rust in the water passages.
    So I knocked out the freeze plugs, and discovered even more rust:
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    So after some investigation I had 2 options. Bring it to a engine revision shop and pay to have it cleaned and have the rust removed, or find a way to do it myself.
    On youtube and fora I discovered that people derust their engines by electrolysis, so after reading quite a bit of it and refreshing my basic chemistry knowledge I went for it.
    I've put the engine in a tub and filled it with water and soda (bicarbonate), then I put two metal plates in it which functions as cathodes.
    As power source I've used a car battery and charger, and I let it do it's work for a whole day and night.
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    (I first used some concrete netting but that didn't work too well as it is already rusted, I swapped it for some steel plating)
    As soon as I turned on the power source it started doing it's work:


    This is the result:
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    A full derusted and degreased block (and a happy man).
     
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    Excellent result! You'll like the extra plate on the front crossmember. I did it to both my running cars and felt the difference immediately on the first drive. (But still think I'd like a strut brace.)
     
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    It's actually a replacement for the original, as it was dented and quite rusted. But it's thicker so it should indeed be maybe a bit firmer :)
     
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    excellent trick for the engine block cleaning.. looks an excellent result

    But the Utube link is broked !!
     
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    Ah, it should work now. I forgot to set the video public.
    It's actually very cheap to setup . I think I'll derust more stuff that way.
     
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    The heads of the engine are done.
    Valves are grinded:
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    New freeze plugs:
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    Then after I cleaned and derusted the heads again with electrolysis they got some primer and paint:
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    Ready for reassembly:
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    And the final result:
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    (of course there are two of them, but the result is the same on both :) )
     
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    Good work sir ;)
     
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    The engine block itself has been cleaned up:
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    Masked up:
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    Primer:
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    And paint:
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    The balance shaft bearings were definitely shot when comparing them to new ones:
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    Balance shaft bearings installed with the oil holes correctly:
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    New crankshaft bearings:
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    And the crankshaft is installed:
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    The complete assembly is 2 pages and a half in the manual, the first half paragraph is done :D
    So more updates comming soon!
     
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  51. caprinerd

    caprinerd Registered Capri Power Member

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    people mad, round the bend, up the wall, crazy and nuts
    Balance shaft bearings were well shot
     
  52. WimC

    WimC Registered Capri Power Member

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    Ford Capri MK1 '71
    Progress so far:
    - New camshaft bearings are installed (especially the middle one where there is almost no access was difficult)
    - Camshaft is installed
    - Balance shaft is installed
    - Distribution gears are mounted
    - Distribution cover with the water pump are on
    - Oil filter is on
    - Mounting brackets are bolted on
    - New piston rings are installed
    And currently the pistons are being installed.
    20210824_203709.jpg 20210908_133938.jpg 20210908_154609.jpg
     
  53. WimC

    WimC Registered Capri Power Member

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    More progress!
    The last sprint towards a final engine.
    - All 4 pistons are installed
    - Oil pump installed
    - Oi pan is in place
    20210909_202647.jpg

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    20210909_221642.jpg


    Next up: rockers, push rods, heads, inlet, carburetor ...
     
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  54. caprinerd

    caprinerd Registered Capri Power Member

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    looking good there WimC
     
  55. WimC

    WimC Registered Capri Power Member

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    More progress:
    - Heads installed
    - Inlet manifold placed
    - Pushrods and rockers installed
    20210911_213918.jpg

    20210913_131014.jpg

    20210913_132735.jpg

    Next up:
    Checking and adjusting clearances on the rockers, carburetor, distributor ...
     
  56. Crash & Burn

    Crash & Burn Registered Capri Power Member

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    Looks tastefully pretty. You getting anxious to get it dirty? :)
     
  57. WimC

    WimC Registered Capri Power Member

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    Maybe I'll just put it in my living room and never use it :D
    No no, I'm joking. I'm indeed a bit anxious that it could be very dirty after one single ride. But what worries my the most that it won't start.
    It's my first engine I ever rebuilt, I've done everything by the book and it feels all OK but I'm still no expert :) So let's hope..
     
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  58. Crash & Burn

    Crash & Burn Registered Capri Power Member

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    I like that you did it yourself. You will, too. You'll like just listening to it tick over. And you don't have to go for "very" dirty, just a hint of oil presence and that used engine patina will suffice. :)
     
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  59. WimC

    WimC Registered Capri Power Member

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    In the meantime the distributor, carburetor and valve covers are installed.


    20210915_155605.jpg


    20210915_213018.jpg

    Old picture for reference :D
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