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  1. Finn

    Finn Registered Capri Power Member

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    Is it still legal to tow another car on a tow rope? or does it have to be tow pole? Finn.
     
  2. Clockwork Orange

    Clockwork Orange Glasgow Subway- Keeping it simple since 1896 Staff Member Moderator

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    it is legal to tow with a rope, but not onto trunk roads or motorways - can rescue from Motorways, not recommended but leave at first available exit..
    tow-pole I believe is same rule.. just makes the tow more controllable.. all drivers must be licensed for the class of vehicle involved.. in particular the towcar driver must be qualified for trailers
    otherwise suspended tow on dollies or trailer ...
    towing vehicle capacity I believe must still be adhered to ..

    also read - https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q558.htm?version=0
     
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    Finn Registered Capri Power Member

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    I will have to check my licence, I believe when I renewed at 70 I lost some of the qualifications I had, had for years.
     
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    Clockwork Orange Glasgow Subway- Keeping it simple since 1896 Staff Member Moderator

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    if you passed your test before 1990 (think?) towing was included..
    after that, I believe a trailer up to 750kg is included, over 750 is class +E..
    I passed in 76, appears on my license I can drive things I never saw before !!
    in saying that I have trailered a few things, with flat-beds, cars.. little trailers, big trailers..
    tbh - my Capri GXL used to pull things I never thought would start rolling ..

    however, having had a 1300 Capri as my first it instills an element of anticipation, so heavy trailers were never a worry !
     
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    Sais you should never tow on a motorway!!! Me and a friend were on our way to London to deliver some one off beer mats, on the M1 the Ital van threw a wobbly and a con rod, the company sent out another Ital van out to recover us and he brought a tow rope, it felt like it was 20 miles on the M1 that we were towed to the next exit and then 50 miles to Burton, now that was entertaining to say the least.
    Trailer, dolly, A frame, fixed bar and as a last resort a tow rope.
     
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    i was lead to understand that A frames are only allowed to be used by recovery companies and all towing for public was to be done on a fixed bar but have read this link and learnt different thank you for that
     
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    I used to transport cars that dealers bought in Glasgow Graham Square auction.. delivered to Southport, Birmingham, and Manchester..
    all on the back of an A-frame on back of my GXL.. never an issue..
    One ornery brute one time was a Cortina P100 pickup going to a wonderful chappy ( Stuart ) in Southport .. he bought me breakfast and refilled my tank on the delivery.. Even though the delivery had been paid for..
    Was a bit of fun on the old A74 when the ute tried to overtake me a few times over Red Moss .. but we got there OK..
    fun days indeed.. really miss the adventures sometimes ..
     
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    Having the “Grandad licence” allows us to drive lots of stuff youngsters now need tested on.
     
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    Yep, 7.5 tonne horse lorry for one, allowed us to buy a newer lorry than if we were looking for a 3.5 tonne Transit type horse box, the value of which are kept higher as the yuffs need to do an extra test to drive a truck
     
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    Grandad! I am but a mere youth!
     
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    I can see the driving licence having to change to meet the needs of electric vehicles and new categories being added. Can electric vehicles be used as tow cars?
     
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    Clockwork Orange Glasgow Subway- Keeping it simple since 1896 Staff Member Moderator

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    Electric Towcars?
    Hybrids you already see.. Mitsubishi PHEV, Lexus RX.. etc..
    It will be down to the car manufacturers to declare towing ability.. that will include Max axle weights, trailer nose weights, and gross train weights..
    For instance, my Kodiaq has the dealer spec Towbar available as an option, and the spec plate gives towing weight availability. There are some Kodiaqs that have not..
    Also remember that on introduction in 1981 Ford stated that due to the ‘specification’ of the Capri 28i, they did not recommend the vehicle for towing..
    that is why in Germany you could not get TuV approval to fit a tow-bar to the 28i..
     
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    I used my EV vehicle to tow a friend's car that had a cambelt failure, now where I live, I'm at the top of two hills, it nearly killed my little EV, going up the hill, going down not a problem, it will be very interesting to see the tow capacity and range when towing, I regularly tow with my L200, but what would be able to do 500 miles in a day minimum pulling a loaded car trailer, I don't think they have thought it out properly yet.
     
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    Do you know what in the 'specification' led to that change?
     
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    Clockwork Orange Glasgow Subway- Keeping it simple since 1896 Staff Member Moderator

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    from the original papers - 1981..
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    If you like I'll send you copies of that manual.. I got it on PDF ..

    luckily the good guys at Capri.PL have a lot of great documents lodged on their site ..
     
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    Thanks CO. Just downloaded it, it's a great site for documentation.

    Seemed a curious thing to say. Same chassis/body, uprated rear springs, makes me wonder if the shocks are the limiting factor which is easily remedied with adjustables.

    Had to laugh about the "no auto trans" explanation. Better not tell the drag racers...
     
  17. Clockwork Orange

    Clockwork Orange Glasgow Subway- Keeping it simple since 1896 Staff Member Moderator

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    probably something to do with the autobox parameters, they perform on torque..
    if you remember the likes of a 3litre essex, will pull from tickover heavy torque .. when the 28i came out it had to have a minimum of 2000 rpm to get it moving..
    fair enough, once it was moving the torque, and then the power kicked in.. but thats no real use when driving a torque converter..
    It was never an engine I liked..
     
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    I think the reason is the single leafs as if they collapse there is nothing to support the axle.
    Other standard Capris (except Mk1 RS, x-series, Wërksturbo ones) had all multipack leafs.
    If you break one of the other leafs than the main leaf, you can still be able to drive the car.

    Atm I don't remember the pound ratings of the orginal leaf springs, but the 5 leaf HD spring pack had a 130 lbs spring rate if I'm not mistaken and single was less than that.

    And don't think I've ever seen a RS2600/3100 with towbar, hence thinking it is due the leaf springs.

    I'm not buying that it is down to being a "performance car" and engine can not take it.
     
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    Clockwork Orange Glasgow Subway- Keeping it simple since 1896 Staff Member Moderator

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    that was Fords statement not mine
     
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    I doubt single leafs are the reason. MkIII Escort vans and pickups had them as well, with a tow rating...

    I'm afraid it's the same kind of "politics" that removed the towing option from the STs (Mondeo, Focus) after the first ST200, and the Focus RS. "It's a sporting car and it does not need to tow". VAG have understood that is not the case and let their R and RS's tow.

    So far this means Ford have lost sales of a Mondeo ST220, a Focus ST and a Focus RS to me. But since I am stupid I still bought other Fords so their loss is probably smaller than mine... ;-) And now I have even ordered a Mach-E with a stupid low tow rating.

    Gustaf
     
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    Nice one Gustaf, should be entertaining, I do not really understand why EVs have a reduced towing capacity, are the company's just covering there arses incase they get egg on there faces or does towing bugger them up.
     
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    I think it is partly a belts and braces thing, partly a market decision.

    The Mach-E is, as I understand it, developed mostly by Ford US and in the US, few people tow anything (significant) with a standard car or an SUV, they use a big pickup truck. That, is in turn, as I understand it, connected to the trailer rules where few trailers are braked - when in Europe, most trailers have brakes. That means we can use smaller cars to tow.

    If you look at what VW/VAG and Hyundai (and Volvo/Polestar for that matter) offers in EV towing, they have products that offer at least 1500/1600 kg tow weights. Of course it is also a matter of having cooling that can handle towing but I would think it would be quite easy in an EV to limit speed when towing and thus also keep temps down. I would have loved to be able to tow our caravan (1600 kg) at least short distances with the Mach-E (a range of 200 km with caravan would be OK). But since I need something to tow the car trailer (2000 kg) anyway, there is room for our Kuga ST-Line in the fleet as well, for the time being.

    Gustaf
     
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